The non-Muslim verdict on Prophet Muhammad (for moslims)

Thanks my dear brother for your continued wisdom,
i am grateful and voted it up, than you earn @ll support.
In the Name of ALLAH. Muhammad was his last messenger and we praise him and thank him .. insha'allah.
May ALLAH bless you and @ll yours
and keep you @ll guide and well. Ameen.
Take good care and keep on doing what you know is right!
've a good time, much blessing greetings,
yours sista,
Angelic :).

thanks a lot my sister
always your comments support me and make me feel great
take care and have nice day
allah bless you and your family .. amen
allah hafiz

You're welcome dear brother :),
best wishes and nice day to y@ll too.
Thanks my brother and ALLAH bless y@ll. Ameen.
Much blessing greetings for you and your family.
Kindest, yours sista,
Angelic :).
ALLAH AMEEN
ALLAH HAFIZ

lionofdesert, 22 thanx for the post ..you are excellent

"dont let him near your kids"

-Emma C zorpia 2008

hi Emma
why u say that
if u do not like him it is ur right .. it is ur opinion and i respect it
but it is not ur right to insult him or say any bad word about him
and i write (it is for only moslims)
if u do not like him so do not read that
take care and have nice day

"but it is not ur right to insult him or say any bad word about him"
You wanted the non-muslim verdict on him, well your getting it.
"and i write (it is for only moslims)"
You also wrote the non-muslim verdicr. We as non-muslims are giving it. You shouldn't make topics expressing our verdicts if you don't want to hear them.

i said it because he was a pedo

ye its my right not to like him and if you cant handle people speakin the truth then thats not my problem

who said only muslims can post here?

the forums are open to anyone to post and when the title is non muslim verdict then do you think that were all going to come and grovel about mohamed the way you do, no chance

really if i know that u say the truth i will be the first one who thanks u for what u say
but i am sure he is not like what u said
and i said it is for only moslims to avoid such war of words ... i hate to see people fight and insult each other for their religions
it is simple issue if u r not moslim do not hurt moslims
if u r not christian do not hurt christans .....etc
we should learn how to live with each other even if we are differents

hold on there what you mean insult ?

i didnt insult you

i do not care if u insult me
but it hurt me soo much when u insult the my prophet
u do not know how i love him and how i respect him soo much
so i request u .. do not do that
coz it hurt soo much more than insult me
i do not know what is ur religion but i am sure u will feel the same if some one insult ur prophet ... or if u do not beleive in prophets ... so tell me what u will feel if some one insult ur dad or ur mom or some one u love soo much
really it hurt

ok heres how it works

mohamed had a kiddy fetish muslims dont deny the girl was 9 so i think he should have been kept well away from kids

and if you get more upset about what is said about him than about you, then yr prioritys are all wrong

im an anti islam atheist

emma is so right... ur great prophet was fucking little kids...i just ask myself how some people can call him a prophet... such a human looks for me like a little pig s**t.

Truth about prophet Mohamed marriage from Aisha the 9 years



pls see that till the end then talk to me

yes and now? he is still a little kiddy fucker, thats a fact and nothing to say nice about it!

i think u did not see the clip
so there is nothing to talk about

well for me i dont care but he is still a little fucked up bastard ur "prophet"... i guess moslem like to fuc* child so they are sure they fuc* a virgin! anyway its the most stuipid relegion on the earth.

brother lionofdesert:
don't waste your value time with those people,they would never understand

hi nour
how are u my brother??
yeah dear you are right , they do not want respectable and scientific discussion .. they only want to insult and use bad and vulgar words
i will ask Allah to giude them
it was nice to talk to you my brother
take care and have nice day
Allah hafiz

thnks brother, they pretend caring about lady Aicha's fate, and they don't understand that she was the mother of all the Moslems,what a honorable position.
instead of wasting their time in insulting , they ought to do something to help women to recover their dignity which is thrown on the ground, they don't understand the women in our time is just a mere tool to entertaine the men, at home, in the work, in the Media, They are selled :
in Street prostitution, massage brothels, escort services, outcall services, strip clubs, lap dancing, phone sex, adult and child pornography, child prostitution, video and internet pornography, trafficking, and prostitution tourism.

instead of wasting time in thinking of Afghanistan Girls, they ought to begin with their country where their are Millions of women and children just in the UK are abused to satisfy many men's desire for 'sex'

http://greatbignews.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-feminists-lie-with-statistics-case.html

i share same thinking of noor

lol marrying little girls. sick dude

hear hear!

"he was a murderer, rapist, pedophile, tyrant, chovanist, slave trader, hypocrit, bigot, liar, thief, and if he was alive today, he would be in prison on a life sentence, and be on the sex offenders register"
-Deacon F zorpia 2008

hi Deacon
prophet mohamad is great man and he do not need me to defence him
but i want to say one thing u r wrong for all what u said
really u say that coz u do not know him
if u know him well u never say that .. u will respect him even if u r not moslimlike those famous people..
although they are not moslim but they read about hime and study his character very well so they respect him and write that about him
they were honest people
anyway .. i am not forcing any one to love him or converted to islam
i just request people not hurt each other
if he is nothing for u ... u should know that he is everything for others
so u should respect the feeling of others
take care and have nice day

"prophet mohamad is great man"
According to you, not me. And this topic is about the non-muslim verdict about him, not the muslim one.
"and he do not need me to defence him"
....... then keep ya pie hole shut, it's that simple.
"but i want to say one thing u r wrong for all what u said"
Nope, I'm not, all that I said can be found in the Qurran and Hadeiths... maybe you need to study up on the man.
"really u say that coz u do not know him"
Not in person I don't, if I did I would of broke his jaw n thrown him in jail. But I do know all about him.
"if u know him well u never say that "
But I do know of him, and I do say that, and I stand behind what I say.
"u will respect him even if u r not moslimlike those famous people.."
ROFLMMFAO, Not a snowballs chance mate. Murderers, pedophiles, rapists, slave traders deserve no respect.
"although they are not moslim but they read about hime and study his character very well so they respect him and write that about him"
Dhimmi's
"they were honest people"
They were Dhimmi's pandering to muslims.
"anyway .. i am not forcing any one to love him "
No he did that all on is own, especially to 9 year old girls.
" or converted to islam "
lol, not going to happen, we like our freedom too much, and I would rather die than subjigate myself to an intollerent n oppressive ideology.
"i just request people not hurt each other"
.... you mean like the islamic terrorists killing hundreds of thousands thousands each year in the name of the Babylonian pagan moon god allah?
"u should know that he is everything for others"
uhuh, so we can see from such acts as Mombai, London, Madrid, Bali, New York, etc.
"so u should respect the feeling of others"
Respect is earned, not given and sure as hell not demanded.

"u will respect him even if u r not moslimlike those famous people.."

are you demanding we respect him???

sure sounds like it.

ye that what i was thinking

no chance of that happenin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-yqLw1Ot0I

you wasted yr time goin to youtube im not goin to watch yr propoganda

ok
it is up to you
but for your information i am not wasting my time when i try to make some one open his eyes and see the truth
if you insist to close your eyes it is up to you
but i will tell u onething .. it is for your life in general
(Try to know everything about something ... and at the same time try to know something about everything in this life) so never refuse any new information even if it is frome some one you hate him.. may be it help you one day.
all the best in your life

so now were gettin to it
you dont want opinions you want to try and convert us

dont you try to tell me anything about my life

i cant stand islam and want nothing to do with such an evil,bigoted,doctrine founded by a murdering pedophile

u still insult and use bad words about islam and about moslims .... while all my talking i never say one bad word to you..
it is not coz i am weak man or i am scared from you or i can not do that ... no ... i can do that but i did not .... do you know why???
coz my prophet teach me to be good and kind and polite with all people even who insult me ..
anyway it seems you do not want to discuss in scientific way you just want to insult islam and moslims

ye i am totally against yr religion,and can say so

its called freedom of speach,just cos you cant say anything against it for fear of punishment dont mean i cant

just to remind you i have not imsulted you i have told you what i thinkk of islam
try and get it right

(freedome of speech)

always remeber that your freedom ends when the freedom of others begin

so it is not absolute freedom

when ur words hurt others and insult them it is not freedom of speech it is Attack on the freedom of others

you talk freedom about a doctriine that wanmts to make the whole world muslim whether they want it or not,no freedom with that ideology

you talk about freedom of others what about the freedom of that 13 yr old girl who was stomed to death under islamic laws cos she had been raped??

what about the freedom to leave a religion without fear pf punishment somthing you dont have

what about the freedom of people to live their lives without being attacked by islamist terrorists promised martyrdom by mad preachers who funnily enough never seem to volunteer for such a wonderful thing

those are attacks on others brought about by the islam doctrine of hate and bigotry

for the 3rd time i have not insulted you im havin a go at islam so try and get it right

look Emma
in everywhere in this world there are good and bad people ok
in USA , in Egypt , In India ... in every country there are bad and good people .. is that make me say that all USA are bad , or all Egyptians are people??? absolutly no ... it is little bunch of people not make us think that all the country are bad... i think u agree with me in that

the same thing in religion
in islam there are bad and good moslims
in christainity there are good and bad christians
in aithist there are bad and good

but those little groups should not make us say all moslims are bad or all christians are bad or all aithiets are bad

terrorism do not have religion or country ... they are just a group of bad people hate peace and they even hate theirselves and islam never say that

i hope you understand me

ye thers good and bad all over

ye theres bad in all religions but what pisses people off is the denial that there are islamic terrorists the "they are not really muslims "excuse is not believed

when are you going to admit responsiblity for them ,they go to the mosuse ,pray to alla they are muslims and the more it gets deined the more will turn agaisnt

muslims go nuts and demad death over cartoons and teddy bears yet nowhere do we seen any mass protests against the suicide bombers etc why is that??

ye terrorism just now has a religion its called islam,the religion of death

lol

time wasters

ignore them, they arent worth your time lion

hi RainDrops
how are u ?? it is long time i did not see u .. i hope everything is ok there
thanks for ur support
but really i think it i snot waste of time when you help some one to know the truth
i think it is great work and Allah will reward us for that
take care and have nice day
Allah Bless you

yes sure i do understand,but alla said

قال تعالى : " إنك لن تهدي من أحببت ولكن الله يهدي من يشاء , and they dont want to, all they want t do is mock and insult also we are adviced to keep away from such peopleand not to argue with them, because you know what you will get isnt worth it,, just wanted to warn you...

yeah i agree with this ayaa
but it is our duty to make it clear to those people
u know they like wearing black glasses and they do not want to see anything
any way we just do simple smple effort for our islam
and u know how our prophet suffer and work hard with people more than those in refusing islam
may allah accept our small work
and thanks alot for ur kind words

Some people remind of Abu Jahal

hi Adel
how are you brother??
thanks for your comments
i agree with you ,,, those people do not know anything about islam
so it is our duty to show them the reality of it
Jazaka Allah Kheiran
allah hafiz

"Head of Interrogation and Torture, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba"

fuckin awesome lol

Emma
You are not the one to talk
You know absolutely nothing about Islam and you still talk like the obserred person that you are if you wanna change anyone's mind first one must consider the source and you don't fit anything to be followed in any way shape or form nor does your opinion matter with your notorious ways of being challenged
You also have to lead by example and you don't have enough know how to have any leadership noot even in thought
Have you had yor icecream yet

your a bore

Like I wanted to entertain you, which wouldn't be hard cause you probably find everything amusing and because of how you actually beleive everything told to you even if it makes no sense, I suggest you watch My Little Pony that probably will enertain you.
Have you had that icecream ?
Most kids love it
Salama

you sound like a kiddy fiddler

As long as you were the fiddled, I don't mind cause you deserve it

ye typical perv reply

i wonder where you got the inspirition to go kiddy fiddlin

Adel why is it all muslims assume that Kafirs have no knowledge of Islam??
When infact those who are outside of the Islamic bubble can see it for what it really is.
You are inside that bubble and see only what islam tells you not what is Islam really is.

your just another Muslim who assumes things

Your response to Emma was sickening wishing that she had been fiddled with what kind of human wishes that on anyone you disgusting man

When one loses respect for another that's how the conversation goes and you assumed that sickening disgusting idea that I resent.
I meant befiddled with her brain as I was trying to get her to think that not you.

I'm sure you did Adel I'm sure you did its quite obvious given the text in the previous interactions with Emma that you meant fiddle in a sexual and derogative manner.
But in all Honesty don't you think she's to old for you??

It's quite evident that you have no respect for women what so ever

What's evident is that you don't know that we have been going at it for a while now, in different Forums that you obviously haven't read , and I think she likes that kinda stuff some people do, honestly she toned down her language and I'm happy for that however she's not that young and what you think is going on is not what I think what so ever cause i questioned the reason she became more abnoxious to say the least.
she is not nice when she says things that she thinks is right and i thought she was wrong and i asked to stop with those words and I would love to show my point of you but was interupted so now here it is and I really don't wanna sit here and explain the whole story but if you'd like pm me and I'll link you to what I'm talking about gladly I don't like to humiliate anyone as she does

"What's evident is that you don't know that we have been going at it for a while now"
I have my doubts that Emma would see it the same way :P

I think she likes that kinda stuff some people do
Why do you think she likes to be fiddled with??
Do you like to Fiddle with young girls ??

if you'd like pm me and I'll link you to what I'm talking
With the messages I have been receiving from Muslim men there is no way I want to chat in private with you.
Also with your rather sexual orientated wording you have to be joking.

And you still l have not answered my earlier questions to you.

The only person you tend to humiliate is yourself

[I think she likes that kinda stuff some people do
Why do you think she likes to be fiddled with??
Do you like to Fiddle with young girls ??]

What , I thought I explained my point of view , you should already know, stop forcing your idiocity , we already been through this remember
I meant she liked confrontation susan and she says things and i say things back like I said in my private message Welcome to the loonie-bin
Pick your battles meaning some where else with someone else
You're not that observant are you?

Dont Send me private messages and dont call me hun you disgusting contemptable little man.

Im not your Hun

CarreraGT2
Adel 34
Hey welcome to the loonie-bin hun
people have been posting garbage as facts for years
Choose your battles
I'm not your typical enemy so please stop accusing me and telling me what's right and wrong,.You supporting that little mouth piece
please just let me handle my business without you intruding I'd appreciate it you already screwed up enough

just look at the words you posted to me you moron

hun was in the sentence to give it strength in meaning as in what parents say to their kids and that's what I see you as a CHILD
Beleive you me I would never consider you more then another person who is way on the other side of the world typing and trying to prove something, who has the attention span of a 5 year old
THANK YOU FOR POSTING
Salama

So you make a habit of calling kids hun do you?? why does that not surprise me:)

you see me as a child possibly even a 5 years old mmm is that why you call me hun and keep sending me messages and replying to me.
sorry to disappoint you I'm far to old for your tastes and likings

You can keep dreaming

I don't know if this is just me or is this woman stupid
look when I go to the donut shop to pick up coffee donna calls me hun and says there you go hun and what would you like hun and so on Donna is roughly 60 so yeah to her I'm a kid
I don't know when the last time i went for dinner and didn't hear a waitress or a server call someone hun
usually the person who says that is older then the one who it is being said to
And no I said you have the attention span of a 5 year old here I ma repeating myself pay attention

I personally think you are tasteless and tell someone who cares about your likings

you know psychologists say that human get their creativity from dreams
Once a man dreamed to be on the moon and now he is
I had a dream is what martin luther said
I live that dream Obama
get it DITZ

Do you think all women are stupid Adel??
seems to me you like arguing with women and calling them stupid
I guess that's just your macho Muslim mentality

@Susan

I can tell you from past previous experience adel is quite delusional. That is what comes from being a muslim.

@Adel

Lol, when are you going to take the hint? You're not quite right in the head mate.

Varick

From my interactions with this sorry excuse for a man he has proved to me that he is nothing more then a man who gets kicks out of bulling women.
Not to mention the fact and I can't take away his vast knowledge of Kids and what they like he seems well educated on this matter. Quite worrying really

Varick
I used to beleive in god but not in any religion, I grew up in a household where my mother was christian who became muslim about 5 years ago,and my father is muslim but grew up in a christian household that's my father's backround.
Naturally being in Canada nobody really cared in my family who believes in what religion, as a family who's easy going and always beleived that it was up to us to practice whatever after all the issue is between the person and god.
I embraced Isalm just this year, shortly after a death in my family in the beginning of 08 as in announcing my Shahda
I was free to think whatever I want, practice whatever I want .
Amongst Arabs my last name would clealy indicate that I'm christian Alhashwa, I changed that to become a muslim last name Shaer, and Adel is a generic name that does not need to be changed because it indicates that I'm an arab but not muslim or christian or any religious backround clearly, ok so far
at the age of 27 I started to read about different religions as I found it interesting to see what people beleived in and why.
I started reading the noble Quran in Arabic cause I can my parents spent enless hours with us teaching us how to read and write Arabic , I found it to be the most beautifull and amazing book ever, it is not poetry nor does it sound like anything I have ever read including the bible the new and old testimant , In fact Allah challenges human to come up with anything a verse or Surah like it but it is not humanly possible.
If Mohammad (PBUH) didn't know how to read or write how can he come up with something like it, that doesn't make sense, Arabic poetry and different writings are far more superior to english ask anyone who reads both languages and you'll see how Arabic is far from english and english is considered very well versed.
I found that Islam allows you to have a direct relationship with Allah and nothing in between.
never the less I started reading Islamic history and found that all the accusations about mohammad were false and they are merely accusations, I also read about Khalid Ibnu Alwalid and how he outsmarted his opponant in the battle of Yarmook with a small number of soldiers less then 20,000 and I'm being way too generous with that number against 200,000 Roman and other soldiers, put together to crush Islam
and Mohammad (PBUH) it's a long story but this is where I instantly beleived in Islam the moment of faith
The Islaimc army made the Romans run in the first day of the war it ended the day it started.
not only did Khalid ousmart them he made it to the leadership tent and brought back their General as a hostage. I thought how does a man do that, he's only human, when the opponant is far more superior the odds were all against them the romans had a prperly trained and well armed force and the odds as I mentioned were far greater in man to man combat well it had to have been Allah and the angels protecting him to do such a thing other wise it wouldn't make sense How else would it make sense and remembered in the quran saying that allah sends his angels to help.
I never knew about Lady Aisha being so young when I saw the hadith I beleived it and it shook my faith but when I looked at the numbers and what I remembered
as very well known fatcs it didn't add up and I also researched and found that it could not be understandable why would aisha say that, not only that
I have never heard an Arabic woman speak about her bedroom experiences and why aould Lady Aisha tell Hisham or his father for this matter out of all people and those were my first thoughts.
I love Altabari as an Islamic history writer I started reading what he wrote about her and found even more evidence to doubt the ages mentioned as you can see above so I concluded that they numbers were either symbolic or the hadith was narrated wrong or Aisha never said such things.
Am I dilusional to see what the whole story was about or is someone who onlhy reads parts and pieces of the history of Aisha is.
My faith is stronger today then it had ever been and I find myself again amazed at the accusations and how people talk to muslims trying to degrade them.
I don't know how anyone who's reasonable can convince anyone else by attcking them with such humility and disgracefull words talk intelligently with out humility and degrading me so I can actually have a peacefull conversation
Calling names and degrading anyone ios not the way to convince anyone Is it that hard to speak without being rude

"I don't know how anyone who's reasonable can convince anyone else by attcking them with such humility and disgracefull words talk intelligently with out humility and degrading me so I can actually have a peacefull conversation
Calling names and degrading anyone ios not the way to convince anyone Is it that hard to speak without being rude"

Haha well well well you have changed your tune haven't you when in every reply to myself or Emma you degraded and Insulted us
FU

You're so wring as Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world , people are embracing Islam every single day, I actually think that all this negativity brings the smart people who ask and actually understand what the other side of the story is just like a smart person should.
Just last Friday at a local Masjid (where muslim people prey) after we prayed the Friday prayer a man announced his Shahada (entering into Islam by way of saying " There is no god but Allah, Mohammad is a prophet of allah) which by the way is not as simple as you think he must fully understand his Shahada and Tawhid (what to beleive in like angles amongst other things but let me keep it simple) not that it's that difficult to understand then he becomes muslim. The man is a public school principle he's also coccasion so obviously I , nor do all muslims assume that kuffar have no knowledge of Islam
Actually what you're saying is ludacris.
There is no such thing as an islamic bubble that's like saying jewish or Christain bubble if anything you're the bubble ( I meant bubble-head air-head and that nature of the meaning in the word bubble in case you assume different)
And those who actually look deep into Islam and not be selective but objective will find different opinions about Islam look at the heading of the forum by non muslims
And if anyone assumes anything it's you Susan
as you have proved it already

oh salama means PEACE

there you go again Insulting a woman wow your such a big brave man Adel
Go get your self a child bride so Mohammed can be proud of you.

All religious people are living in a bubble

no I'm someone across the other side of the world earth that disagrees or I have some beef with somethings, and you're existance is an insult to me
are you trying to prove something, look nothing you say makes sense nor do I care about your pee-brian opinions I'm only hoping to change your and the people who read this minds
I also have alot of time on my hand to waist right now and I'm actually enjoying this and somehow I think that you do too
What do you think my reaction would be to such petty words child bride check it out
In the law of judiesm the lagal age for ladies to get married is 12 and some say 12 and a half and for men it's 14 guess what it happnes In real life they do that not often but it happens
I wouldn't practice it nor do I mind it surely in the western world it's looked upon as a shamefull thing to do but who cares only your kind does
I would never call anyone who marries any young lady at that age a child molester, pedophile, or a rapist that to me is trying to humiliate someone and somethings should be left unsaid ask your mom
and as far as Islamic historians say lady Aisha was at least 14 and I think she was 18-19 when she was married and the information that you think you know is wrong
look at what research shows not me to show you that the numbers used are symbolic
Do you have an attention span read this

http://muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
here is a copy and paste from the sight and if you'd like to assure of it the link is right there
(Determaination of the true age of Aisha
It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

Later research
Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.

1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5]

Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6]

(Go here to see an image of the full entry in Urdu.)

This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7]

Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

“Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8]

This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

Two further evidences cited by Maulana Muhammad Ali
In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, Maulana Muhammad Ali had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows.

1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:

“Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.” [9]

Commenting on this report, Maulana Muhammad Ali writes:

“This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.” [10]

Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage.

2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows:

“On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.” [11]

Maulana Muhammad Ali writes in a footnote under this report:

“It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.” [12]

If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle.

We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously)
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People have been fooled by only selecting information and not all the information
not all muslims know this cause they are not observing EVERYTHING

and if we looked at numbers as proof being a child at 18 doesn't make sense uless it's her mother and father's thinking cause your always a child to them just like my mother says to me (you'll always be a kid to me)
Not only that all the writings about Aisha's age in the Islamic world will tell you that it couldn't be right you have to only read the whole thing not just a few lines
to be objective and not selective

no I'm someone across the other side of the world earth that disagrees or I have some beef with somethings, and you're existance is an insult to me

Is this because I'm a Kafir?

are you trying to prove something, look nothing you say makes sense nor do I care about your pee-brian opinions
There you go again insulting and degrading women thinking that we have small minds.

In the law of judiesm the lagal age for ladies to get married is 12 and some say 12 and a half and for men it's 14 guess what it happnes In real life they do that not often but it happens
I wouldn't practice it nor do I mind it surely in the western world it's looked upon as a shamefull thing to do but who cares only your kind does
I would never call anyone who marries any young lady at that age a child molester, pedophile, or a rapist

Of course its wrong you weirdo you would never call anyone that cause you would be insulting your prophet at the same time.

Do you have an attention span read this

More derogatory insults towards women wow you must really be a sexist pig

If you think im going to read your false copy and pasted statement when many Muslims accept that Mohammed married a kid your wrong

my attention span is not long enough to read crap.

You are clearly proving what a moral standard muslim you are by insulting girls and thinking that we have small minds.

time and time again i have pulled you on it.
How does it feel to have your arse whopped by a girl??

I would never call anyone who marries any young lady at that age a child molester, pedophile, or a rapist

Of course its wrong you weirdo you would never call anyone that cause you would be insulting your prophet at the same time
The words of course it's wrong plays a huge part here

I didn't want you to think any different of Emma but now that the cat's out

Well that is where the whole thing started with Emma her saying those words and more I can quote copy and paste or tell you where to see what I'm talking about ,and you now should know the whole story
those words are insulting and because you selectively choose to beleive what ever you want and not know the whole story is why this whole thing started not only that you wouldn't even consider the other side of the story
This has nothing to do with being a kifir or a muslim
just straight up one person to the other
Thanx for comin out Susan

By the way my mother was christian and so is her family still and your attention span is tiny you didn't want to read it because it's too much for your comprehention not that it's garbage what you say is

You cant help but to insult women can you just goes to show your natural intellect level.
Typical muslim man belittling and insulting a woman try picking on a man for once you despicable piece of crap

No no no you got it all wrong you just happened to reply to the wrong guy and you also happen to be a female
don't be so direct with your responses and you'll be just fine it was you who again happens to be a female that wanted this to be this way trying to stick up for Emma and i give you kudos well one single kudo point for that
Ok look I have been in so many different social sites and never came across such a mouth piece so i fight fire with fire or did you think I was going to roll over and die ( you only wish)
I'll insult anyone who tries to insult me including males and freaks of nature
Don't take this to heart you'll get sick
Like i said before WELCOME TO THE LOONIE-BIN
I don't care what you say and neither should you care what you say
NO-ONE cares you are talking to someone who does not care what you do say or where you live or if you're female or male or an animal for all I care

Don't make me look up Diary Queens menu and start suggesting how many diferent types of Icecream you should have but for now you should have a BLIZZARD
I hear kids love that
This is beyond your comprehention and you still flap your mouth

No no no you got it all wrong you just happened to reply to the wrong guy and you also happen to be a female

Again from this response and your replies above all can see that I have not got it wrong at all in fact I could not be more right if I tried and again you make reference to me being a woman tsk tsk Adel give up now your making yourself look an even bigger fool.

"don't be so direct with your responses and you'll be just fine it was you who again happens to be a female that wanted this to be this way trying to stick up for Emma and i give you kudos well one single kudo point for that"

I did not need to stick up for Emma she was making you look stupid with out my help.

"Ok look I have been in so many different social sites and never came across such a mouth piece so i fight fire with fire or did you think I was going to roll over and die ( you only wish)
I'll insult anyone who tries to insult me including males and freaks of nature"

From what I have seen of you its yo and only you that has ever insulted people especially women(what do you consider freeks of nature?)

"Don't make me look up Diary Queens menu and start suggesting how many diferent types of Icecream you should have but for now you should have a BLIZZARD
I hear kids love that
This is beyond your comprehention and you still flap your mouth"

Well you would be the expert on what kids like wouldn't you you have kids on the brain you keep mentioning them sicko.

Don't make yourself look even more ridiculous by replying cause you really are a disgrace for all the good musims that use this site you just make them look bad

i could be wrong but i get the feeling he dont like me

Could be cuz your a woman, or a kafir, or it could be his dilousional muslim supiriority complex. Might even be the fact that he can't handle the truth and the truth about his so called beloved prophet (that he seems to have a hard on for) hurts. Or maybe a combination of all of the above.

I get the feeling that he just hates women in general and feels all big and powerful by calling us names

how deos that make sense

ye we can all see how big and powerful he is

i see he is goin on about me on yr other topic does he have some sort of obsession with me,

Haha He hates the fact that 2 girls kicked his sorry arse

well tough on him lol

Go take a shower you're filthy

you really love insulting don't you lol can't you debate in a civil manner of is it cause 2 girls kicked your ignorant behind and your so much of a macho Muslim that you are now in denial..

in fact its your mind that is filthy you vile individual

hey guys and girls
stop that
there is no reason to fight and insult eachother
we all are brothers and sisters .. do u know why ???? coz we live on the same earth under the same sky .. so this world is our big hous
for that reason we should love eachother and co operate to live in peace and love even if we are different in language , or color , or religion .. at the end we are all humanbeings

Not according to your friend Adel we are not.
Cause we are women we are not as equal as him he thniks he can go around insulting and calling girls names he is wrong

He is an utter disgrace to all good Muslims

no my sister
it is not true women are half of this world and care the other half (men)
wome are our mothers , our sisters , our wifes , our doughters
so how we did not respect them
women are equal to men in everything but they have more than men in caring and loving and emotions ...
all what happen here was just personal misunderstand .. i do not know what between u and adel
but i am sure that all of u are good people and have good nature (emma , susaan and adel) so try to understand eachother in quite way
have nice day my sister

no its not a personal misunderstading,all you have to do is look at hos comments

"it is not true women are half of this world and care the other half (men)"

you think that womnen are here just to care for men?

ohh my god
what is wrong emma??
of course i do not mean that
if u read what i write carefully you will understand that i mean (if women half of the world and care the other half ... it means women represtnts the halll world not only half)

what other half are women here to care for?

when u r mom and u have boy
you will care him or not ??
when u are wife and u have husband u will care him or not ??
when you are daoughter and you have father .. you will care him or not ???
the same for men..
it is not war between men and women
they compelete eachother and they need eachother and they care eachother
that it

"when u r mom and u have boy
you will care him or not ??
when u are wife and u have husband u will care him or not "

no

hehehe
ok it is up to you
but i am sure you will not be able to leave your boy without caring
coz it is in your nature all women have big and kind heart
may be you can leave your husband but i do not think you can do that with your son or your father or your brother lol

i done have a boy

what makes you think i want a husband

it is your life
and u r free do what u want to do
and i wish all the best in your life .. nothing else

ye im happy with life

and same to you

thanks my sister

were not related

I don't know what world you live in but what ever arse you kicked if you kicked anything wasn't mine that's obvious

hey guys and girls
stop that
there is no reason to fight and insult eachother
we all are brothers and sisters .. do u know why ???? coz we live on the same earth under the same sky .. so this world is our big hous
for that reason we should love eachother and co operate to live in peace and love even if we are different in language , or color , or religion .. at the end we are all humanbeings

all those are human qualities not animals they are pigs ugly ones I must admit that if there were a competition in ugly pigs on Zorpia Emma would win hands down Susan would be a close second but that's what i think and who cares but them
I'm actually enjoying this

Oh please don't flatter yourself
You are deforned and you actually hurt my eyes

Photographer says: say chees
Emma smiles
Photographer says: Damn you broke my camera

have you seen yourself how could you every mirror breaks in your presence

hey guys and girls
stop that
there is no reason to fight and insult eachother
we all are brothers and sisters .. do u know why ???? coz we live on the same earth under the same sky .. so this world is our big hous
for that reason we should love eachother and co operate to live in peace and love even if we are different in language , or color , or religion .. at the end we are all humanbeings

did you just get that, I thought i made it clear long ago Pay attention

Like I said tell someone who cares
Did you think for a second that any of this bothers me hahaha you are a cupcake a fruity one i might add
It only bothers you and whoever else wants to be bothered by it
what I consider freaks of nature : Susan
do you think you're cool
you are a disgrace to humanity period
I remember that line oh I told that to someone who pushes his opinion (like it matters) the same way Emma does and now you
I beleive in equality and you keep separating yourself from even being human as your brain is thinking like an animal who's havin a hard time understanding humans
I have told you many times what I think and you keep misunderstanding the point
You just want more of this don't you
I knew you liked this sourt of thing
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that kids like Blizzards from dairy Queen and Icecream, it seems like everyone knows that but you
I don't care what you or anyone thinks of what I look like that's your undeniable stupidity Susan

Did you think for a second that any of this bothers me hahaha you are a cupcake a fruity one i might add

You like to call Girls hun and cup cake dont you you filthy pervert.

"what I consider freaks of nature : Susan
do you think you're cool
you are a disgrace to humanity period"

Coming from a man that condones paedophilia, degrades and insults women and believes in his own b**lshit that does make me laugh

I beleive in equality and you keep separating yourself from even being human as your brain is thinking like an animal who's havin a hard time understanding humans
I have told you many times what I think and you keep misunderstanding the point

There you go again calling women animals its quite clear again fro all to see your points and your sexual pervertions and unhealthy thoughts wishing that me and Emma were both Kids.

You just want more of this don't you
I knew you liked this sourt of thing
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that kids like Blizzards from dairy Queen and Icecream, it seems like everyone knows that but you
I don't care what you or anyone thinks of what I look like that's your undeniable stupidity Susan

Again you make references to what Children like almost as if your an expert on the matter.
yo go in to great detail and even mention brand names your quite well educated on the matter of kids likings.

he gets creepier with every post,

that doesn't change the fact that you're ugly

you really are a pathetic wee puppet

hey guys and girls
stop that
there is no reason to fight and insult eachother
we all are brothers and sisters .. do u know why ???? coz we live on the same earth under the same sky .. so this world is our big hous
for that reason we should love eachother and co operate to live in peace and love even if we are different in language , or color , or religion .. at the end we are all humanbeings

all his remarks are in a sexual manner
Hun , Cupcake, Kids.
He has already condones paedophilia told you he wishes you were fiddled with geeze that guy is one warped wierdo

ye i wonder if he on the sex offfenders register

LOL I would have thought so with the way he seems to know lots about what kids like.
Trying to entice his bride to be with ice creams

ye he referred to ice cream a lot ,sems a weird thing to keep repeating,looks like he dont even try to hide his perversions any more

hey girls i request all of u to stop that
and adel do what i request him
so i repeat my requet again
pls stop that
that is enough

Adel this is just for you we know you love him

i hear hes been seen down the mosque

HAHA Glitter and Jackson are doing a tour of the mosques

Not the only paedophiles to have been in mosques that's for sure.

If Mohammed were here today he would be a Glitter fan

wouldnt surprise me one bit

hey susan
i request u in very polite way to stop that
why u still doing that
ok susan i requet u again
pls stop that
that is enough

Is that an order?

no susan
if u see what i write i said it is simple request

And why should I listen to you??
After that vile turd insulted me many times??
Is i common practice for Muslim men to insult women??

if u see my comments to emma
you will know that i never insult anyone weather man or woman even if he or she insult me

im not talking about you im taking about your Lowlife friend Adel who gets kicks out of insulting women and deeming himself to be powerful when he is nothing more than a paedophile following f*c* wit

Oh it's on
I stopped reading your gibarish cause you stopped making sense do you actually get that or do you keep repeating yourself to everyone you speak to

you keep on replying face facts you lost to 2 girls
go away and nurse your battered ego

hey guys and girls
stop that
there is no reason to fight and insult eachother
we all are brothers and sisters .. do u know why ???? coz we live on the same earth under the same sky .. so this world is our big hous
for that reason we should love eachother and co operate to live in peace and love even if we are different in language , or color , or religion .. at the end we are all humanbeings

Ok fine I will
Only because of you Lionofdesert

cause you lost you mean go on piss off you sexist pig

thanks a lot my brother
i appreciate that
Allah bless you and guide them for the right way
Amen
take care and have nice day
Allah hafiz

Oh so you also condone the fact that he degrades and insults women so you thank him for it.
Well thats kind of you isnt it if you were any type of man you would have already told him to shut up and not insult women but oh you must be one of those macho muslims too

or is it the fact you both accept paedophillia

hey susan
i thank him coz he stop that as i request him
and i requet u also to stop that
i am not agree with him or with u
coz u insult islam and all moslims
and he reply your insults
and i never accept that kind of discussion
i like when we talk we should respect eachother
that it

sorry the evidence I found online about Lady aisha's age is under not above

Why do no other Muslims back you up on this?
99.9% of Muslims acknowledge that Mohammed went after a kid

no you are absoloutely wrong

freedom means to hold any0ne and jail them in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba" .without judgement ... we cal it freedom

"he was a murderer, rapist, pedophile, tyrant, chovanist, slave trader, hypocrit, bigot, liar, thief, and if he was alive today, he would be in prison on a life sentence, and be on the sex offenders register"

hhhhmmmmm, let me guess?
are you talking about fidel castro?
sure you do

Nour do you have a problem with women?

hi susan:
not at all ,woman represent to me life, tenderness, sacrifice and love, she is my mother, my sister and my wife.
the problem is that i m moslem, and some people try convince me that because of my religion, i must hate women and that is no true, because my religion has tought me how to humilate women, and that is no true.
if it is true the prophete would'n t say that havean is under foot of mothers, they try to braiwashed me and they can not distiguish traditions ( what is happening in Nigeria, Afghanistan) and the real Islam, they don't like debating, just bombing the forums with thousands of false topic, fake movies they don't even know their sources like budgerigars dosn't caring to be tools in hands of people all their objectives to feed the racisms and wars to able to do whatever they want in this world without beig prosecuted (bush, blair, aznar).
they don't understand that women still suffering not just in Arab Countries, but all over the world, they think that all women in the occidental countries are living like Angela Mirkel.

pppppffff

Oh yes, because several billions more people don't think differently and many former muslims don't as well. Why don't we have a look at what Sir Winston Churchill who defeated one form of Nazism thought of the other-islam:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).

A violent pedophile who made up laws to suit himself

lionofdesert
Assalamu 3alaykum
I hope you're doing good Insha Allah
I appologise for usiing harsh laguage at your hosted forum but some people upset me and make me angry.
It seems like that's their objective is to insult and humiliate muslims here on Zorpai as I seen forums about thier views for the entire time that I've been here and still they talk about the samething as if we don't understand, this situation happened so many times where I didn't get involved not only that I understand their views by now, I can actually understand why as well, however it seems like there is nothing else they enjoy doing other then what I mentioned, I don't take kindly to enforcing someone's opinion onto others and the responses were directly to me and I couldn't stay calm, I don't know how you do it.
I don't think I'm going to be in Zorpia much longer some people ruined my experience here and I thought what a great site in its from as a website, but I can't stand many people here anymore. It seems like every time I decide to join as a Royal member I see something that changes my mind.
I'm not going to leave quite yet because I still have hope but I can't take much more abusive insulting and humiliating ways of expression.
Unfortunately there are so few people who I can respect whether i agree or not with some of their views
Agian I appologise

Adel ,
how are you brother:
you shouldn't be upset, it is all what they seek,if they are doing that is because they feel inferior, and because they have serious social problems.
salam

Nour first let me say assalamu 3alykum
I'm ok now brother how about you
man I lost it tonight and I usually don't care but tonight was give back night for me
How can anyone stand being followed from forum to forum with ( i don't know what to call it ) and that attitude I know it's only e-talk but tonight I was firing back

yes nour you right
i agree with you

i used to get caught up in these topics all night, its always the same people wasting their time trying to push islam on the same people who wont ever accept it.

you hardly ever see someone from another belief telling everybody to convert to their religion, you only see them in these type of topics explaining or defending their beliefs to someone who doesn't seem to understand a word they have to say.

and to the new kiddies who joined after my absence, i'm not muslim, and i like skittles.

hi wesley :
muslems want just peace ,and there are people try to deny the truth that the three religions in medieval period lived in peace( when islam ruled ) either in aldalosia ( spain )in Irak ,egypt , syrie,

Islam respect others believes and you still have the proof, there are still Christians in Egypt , Palestine, Irak, Syrie, have been enjoying freedome to practice their religion, and if it is right what those people prented and Islam hate others religions, they would exterminate all the others believes like the Christians has done with muslems after the re-conquest.